Monday, June 30, 2008

A Pyrrhic Victory



1. The bank files a complaint with the court.Pays filing
fees,transportation expenses and meal allowances ni attorney.
(they cant do it pag over 10 years na ang account mo)
2. After maybe a month, the case is raffled-off to a certain
judge to handle ( hinde po automatic yan gaya ng sinasabi ni
Collector)
3. After maybe a month, the Judge issues a summons for you
to answer the complaint within 15 days upon receipt, in
order to hear your side.
(YOUR DISKARTE NOW. hayaan mo na lang ba or palaban ka?)
(the decision is always " You Pay" anyway )
4. After another month, you file a "Motion for extension to file answer"
kasi la ka pa abogado or si katulong nakalimutan ibigay sa yo ang summons.
('wag lang sumobra sa deadline ha?)
5. After another month (again!)the judge grants you another 15 days.
6. After another month again (!), your lawyer files for another
"Motion For Extension To File Answer" kasi ngayon lang niya nabasa
ang complaint.
7. After another month, the lawyer( FINALLY) answers the complaint,
asks the court to refer the issue for mediation.
(unless he files again another Motion for Extension for some reason)
8. After another month,sa pre-trial, you will appear (FINALLY)before
the Judge, even without a lawyer, for the initial stage of the
Mediation Process
(or you can even file ANOTHER "Motion For Postponement" - you are
undergoing surgery, prior important appointment like US Embassy interview?)
9. Mediation process ensues for three months?
"I can only pay P500.00 a month"
" I do not want to pay their excessive interests"

By now, this case has already drag for One(1) year!

After one year.... sad, but mediation fails.
The Judge handles the mediation.
another three months, perhaps? Still no deal.

10.Then, another Judge ay hahawakan na ang case(AT LAST).

After another three months....oops, nakalimutan ng court!
so the complainant will have to file a motion to set the case
for hearing? hmmmm.......

This is just the first phase.
maraming combinations pa ito.

Postponements after postponements. FINALLY (I hope this is the last)
the Judge hands down the decision.
" You Pay " ( but of course!)

Nope. This is not the end yet.
Complainant now has to file a " Motion To Execute Judgment" in order
that the Sheriff (whom complainant has to pay also)can look for your
assets. Otherwise, the decision will remain just like that
- a paper decision.

The Sheriff will then get your electric fan with your name prominently
etched on it?that's preposterous! He has to sell to convert it to cash
pa. What will the bank do with an electric fan? cheap naman nila.Bili
na lang tayo ng bago - made in China - mura pa.
Then, kung may sobra sa proceed ng auction sale, soli pa yung sukli mo!

The sheriff's Return(report)FINALLY (oh no, not that word again!)is filed:
" No assets can be found "

The bank wins the case. Gets nothing.
A Pyrrhic victory, indeed.

Sunday, June 29, 2008

No Approved Therapeutic Claim


originally published May 31,2007

April 25,2008
Hi Rene:
I hope it's okay to call you by your first name :)

Anyway, I just want to share something to you. I am a bit shy about
posting this at our yahoogroup. I would not mind if you post it
though (without my name or email please)

A letter arrived from a collection agency (xxxxxxxx Credit and
Collection Services). This letter just proves that there is indeed
NO AMNESTY PROGRAM.

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Dear Sir/Madam:

Greetings!
One of our objectives is to help you ease the burden of carrying your
accountabilities. Thus, Credit Card Company is offering you a special
discount on your Credit Card with account number XXXXXXXXXXXXX,
which is now long overdue and demandable.

Your balance as of April 16,2008 is PhP54,127 but through this special
discount, you can now avail of the final settlement amount of
PhP36,217 as full payment of your outstanding obligation until
April 25, 2008.

If you wish to avail........ Blah blah blah

Very truly yours,

Mae xxxxxx

--------------------------------

This is what is FUNNY. I received my statement of account dated
April 20,2008 which indicated that my outstanding balance is at
PHP36,344.I do not know if the collection agency has been advised
that I am still receiving a monthly bill despite the fact that my
account has been suspended.

You are right! There is no AMNESTY PROGRAM! :)

The Harassment Process - The Visit





1. Don’t let them in; they might be holduppers for all you know.Ask for proper court orders
(See Rule 113 ( Arrests); Rule 126 (Search Warrants) of the Rules of Court)


2. Ask, politely and calmly, for supporting documents ( that is SOP)
a.any identification
b.authority to represent the collection agency
c.the authorized signatory of the collection agency
d.authority to represent the bank (Collection Agreement)
e.Bank’s Board Resolution appointing them as such
f.authorized signatory for the bank, duly notarized
g.Latest Statement of Account showing what you owe
b.SOA duly certified correct by the bank ( not them)

If they cannot produce ALL OF THE ABOVE, they are not authorized and are merely posing as representatives for the purpose of...tadah.... FRAUD. simply extortion.
CALL THE POLICE!!!!

3. If you’re in the office, tell the receptionist or the guards not to let them, if possible. you got so many reasons for that:
– "It’s against company’s policy to entertain personal visits during office hours",
"We’re having a meeting"
"The person you are looking don’t want to see you,"

If they insist, see no. 2 above.

4. If they are ever successful, don’t ever listen to anything they say nor sign anything. They got really nothing to say which you did not know already.Dont sign ANYTHING, even those "Amnesty Program" with offers "good until today only". Imagine signing your own death sentence?

Monday, June 23, 2008

Takot Kami



We often allow ourselves to be harassed, humiliated and fooled by these collectors. Worse,even our love ones ay SINISIGAWAN pa nila! Why? all because we are afraid that they will file a case against us and all those legal threats and ek-ek we innocently believe right away - kesyo may court case na nai-file na, si Sheriff Purontong will go to our house, Si Atty. Ilad (bisaya ni)can stop the case if you call him, you will be jailed and a lot of panloloko.

They Won't ; They Cant.
IF EVER, you will get a far BETTER DEAL in court than what they are demanding from you now.

YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME! Say that before every meal - YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME!



Sue Me!
to cut the long story short.
When you say those MAGIC WORDS, they will try to discourage you :
hanap ka na ng abogado mo ( I already did)
we will go to your house ( if you can show a court order)
we will go to your office ( just ensure you have a bank authorization)
we will get your things ( that's Robbery! kulong ka niyan.)
we will do this, we will do that ( still trying to fool me? no way, Jose)

Sunday, June 22, 2008

Raket ( Caveat Part II)


sabi pa ng ex officemate ko na ex kolektor ang raket nila noon pag may natakot sila at nagbayad binibigyan nila ng ibang resibo they managed to create a resibo na mukhang official un ang binibigay nila sa nagbayad (kawawang defaulter!) tpos pagdating nila sa office at tinanong sila ni lawyer kung may nasingil sila ang sagot nila: WALA!!!

Sabi nga nya sken wag ako magbabayad sa kolektor kase malakas ang chances na di naman nila nireremit yun binayad mo. Worst case scenario, nangutang ka ng pambayad sa kolektor, si kolektor na corrupt kinupit bayad mo, si law firm gusto kumita ng pera binenta ung information mo sa ibang law firm.....may iba na naman kolektor na tatakot syo.

Chikit
Saturday, June 14, 2008
4:48:00 AM PHT
Feeling Knowledgeable

Sunday, June 15, 2008

An Immoral Debt



Many times the Supreme Court has ruled that CC interest being charged is :

“excessive, iniquitous, unconscionable and exorbitant, hence, contrary to morals (”contra bonos mores”), if not against the law”

Since there is no longer a “Usury Law” to speak of, lenders and creditors are generally free to stipulate the interest rates to be imposed on debts. As a rule, the interest rate agreed by the creditor and the debtor is binding upon them. This rule, however, is not absolute but sadly, the court can only intervene if this issue is raised before them.

What about the Bible's view on this issue?

The bank responsible for these unconscionable lending practices takes refuge under religiously-mandated self-sacrifice to atone for the sin of borrowing unwisely. But lending money under this situation has in fact incurred the ire of the Prophets :

Ezekiel 18:13
“Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.”

The debtor therefore who entered into such a one-sided arrangement in good faith need not feel that his inability to meet the agreement violates his duty as a Christian.

God has even given debtors a breathing space:

Deuteronomy 15:1-2
At the end of every seven-year period you shall have a relaxation of debts, which shall be observed as follows: Every creditor shall relax his claim on what he has loaned his neighbor; he must not press his neighbor, his kinsman, because a relaxation in honor of the LORD has been proclaimed“

He also frowns upon these oppressor-lenders:

Mt 18:21-35
‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’

And in anger his Lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”

Now, isn’t it comforting that even the Lord is on our side?

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Feeling Marunong


Anonymous said...
i just discovered this blog... basically this whole blog is saying:
"kapalan nyo nalang mukha nyo at hindi nyo na kelangan bayaran utang nyo."
as in "Collector's face"?

"it's ok to borrow money to live beyond your means coz u don't have to
pay back the money anyway."
Its ok to collect money that is not yours and feed your
family with blood money

"Ok lang mangutang at hindi magbayad... wala naman magagawa yung
mga nagpautang sayo e."
Ok lang mag-collect at hinde i-remit. walang magawa
yung naloko natin

"Look at us, we owe tons of money to a lot of people and we aren't
gonna pay them back. Haha suckers!"
Look at us, dami naming na loko

"Only losers pay their debts."
Only Frauds collect fraudulently